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How to Level Up as a PM:
Skills, Mentors & Learning Loops

Jules Walter
Product Leader, YouTube (Google)
Podcast Guest
The Framework

Two Skill Buckets
for PM Growth

IQ SKILLS(Hard Skills)EQ SKILLS(Soft Skills)EarlyCareerLaterCareer
  • IQ skills first: execution, product sense, strategy
  • EQ skills later: communication, leadership, feedback
  • Learn one skill at a time — don't try to master everything
  • Progress compounds when you pick the right sequence
The progressionEarly-career PMs should obsess over execution and strategy. EQ becomes critical as you lead teams and influence orgs.
The Mechanism

The Forcing Function:
Learn by Building

  • Create a goal. Decide what you want to learn (activation, monetization, strategy, growth org design)
  • Pick a real problem. Your ass is on the line — this forces real learning
  • Find mentors. Work backwards from people who know the thing you're learning
  • Close the loop. Come back and report results, get next pointers, iterate
1
mentor who knows
times you loop
6
months to move needle
"I want to go back to the mentor and say, 'Hey, I did this. It was successful. Thanks a lot. Now I'm thinking about this other problem.' I keep going and that's how I rinse and repeat, and over time I drive the outcome and I also know I'm getting better."
IQ Mastery

How to Learn Execution,
Strategy & Product Sense

  • Execution: Attend amazing PMs' meetings. Watch how they move things forward, what they say, what they don't.
  • Strategy: Find people who've done great strategy. Get their artifacts (memos, decks). Reverse-engineer the questions they answered.
  • Product Sense: Identify correlations with success. Talk to researchers, data analysts. Build hypothesis then test.
Collect the docs

Save great emails, strategy memos, exec updates. Build a personal library of templates. Study what makes each one work.

See the backstage

Ask to watch strategy get built. See the iteration, the feedback loops, the thought process — not just the final artifact.

Interview Playbook

Getting Into
Great Companies

  • Do dozens of mock interviews, not zero. Most people read about it instead of practicing.
  • Deliberate practice: interview with people who are actually good at it
  • You will get rejected at first. Even great PMs interview at Google 10+ times before getting in
  • No company gives feedback after interviews — so self-awareness is your only tool
The hidden barrierGetting into a world-class company dramatically changes trajectory. But getting in requires skill you don't learn elsewhere. This is a barrier especially for underrepresented folks.
Unconventional

What PM Learning Myths Miss

You learn from seeing final productsINSTEAD →You learn from seeing iteration, backstage feedback, and the versions that failed.
Great mentors won't help youINSTEAD →People are flattered. No one asks. "I read your doc. Tell me about it?" is enough.
Interview skills don't matter for PM hiringINSTEAD →Interviewing is a learnable skill. It's the gate to the companies that will accelerate your growth.
You learn by studying aloneINSTEAD →You learn by building real stuff, with mentors, in companies where great examples surround you.
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