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How to Join Early,
Sell Smart, & Build Products

Julia Schottenstein
Head of Product, dbt Cloud (dbt Labs)
FORMERLY VC INVESTOR
Early Stage Founder Eval

The 4 Pillars of Great Early Companies

PEOPLEMARKETPRODUCTDISTRIB.
  • People: Founders with range—vision + day-to-day execution
  • Market: Is it growing? Space for new entrants?
  • Product: Can you hear the spark? User enthusiasm?
  • Distribution: What's the unfair advantage to reach customers?
The joining calculusYou won't get 10/10 on all four. Pick where you can add the most value to de-risk the bet.
Finding Product Spark

Signs You've Found Something Special

THE SPARK TESTCan't stop talking about itWant to share with teammatesIt becomes part of their identity
  • Users evangelize unprompted to colleagues
  • Product becomes part of how they self-identify
  • They describe emotional attachment, not just utility
  • Organic word-of-mouth is the distribution engine
dbt's special qualityJulia discovered dbt users described it unlike any tool—it was their identity. That emotional resonance was the predictor of something truly special.
M&A Playbook

How to Get Acquired on Your Terms

  • Timing: Plan M&A when you don't need it—strength is your leverage
  • Pain strategy: Identify 2–3 strategic buyers; inflict competitive pressure on them in your strength area
  • Tone: Stay friendly and open—you need to keep the door open as Plan B
  • Position: Be a partner solving their problems, not a desperate competitor
The Transform case study

Transform built semantic layers & threatened dbt's roadmap. They were vocal about their tech while positioning as a partner. When dbt acquired them, the integration was smooth because they'd already built bridges.

Plan B thinking

M&A is about having optionality. If you're strong enough to go independent, you're strong enough to negotiate a good deal. Never shut doors prematurely.

Value Alignment

Pricing Philosophy

  • Know your value before building; don't defer pricing conversations
  • At dbt, they capture only a small fraction of the value they create (by design)
  • Test price elasticity while stakes are low, not when you're desperate
  • Use relative value questions: what's cheap? fair? too expensive?
The pricers paradox"You don't get to decide if you'll have a pricing conversation. You only get to decide when."
Product Truths

Julia's Counterintuitive Beliefs

You should maximize ecosystem competitionINSTEAD →Grow the pie, not slice it thinner. Partner with ecosystem companies to expand the TAM for everyone.
Keep your product roadmap secret from competitorsINSTEAD →The best competitors are the ones you can eventually acquire or partner with—position yourself as open & collaborative.
Your team should understand the algorithm theoreticallyINSTEAD →Make engineers *be* the algorithm (literal rope + sticky notes). Physical, memorable learning creates ownership.
Open source cannibalizes paid productsINSTEAD →dbt's open core: open source is the distribution moat; cloud product adds state, collaboration, scale.
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