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Lost Years, Lego Bricks &
Sugar-Coated Broccoli

Ivan Zhao
Co-founder & CEO, Notion
MAR 6 2025
Core Concept

Sugar-Coated
Broccoli

SUGAR BROCCOLI (your vision)
"People don't want to eat the broccoli but people like sugar — give them the sugar then hide the broccoli inside of it."
  • Notion's real vision: everyone builds their own software (no-code power for all)
  • The sugar: familiar productivity tool people already understand and need daily
  • Took 2+ years to realise the world needed sugar first, broccoli second
  • The deeper you use Notion, the more you discover the hidden broccoli inside
Framework

Notion's Lego Model: Bricks → Boxes → Solutions

BRICK BRICK BRICK BOX SOLUTION (enterprise)
4
lost years before PMF
full code rewrites
$10B+
valuation reached
  • Bricks: flexible primitives — database blocks, page nesting, relations — the underlying no-code power most users never see
  • Boxes: pre-assembled Lego sets for a specific use case — wiki, project management, CRM — what most users actually buy
  • Solutions: named enterprise offerings that sit on a P&L — what enterprise buyers require before they sign
  • B2C2B flywheel: personal users adopt bricks → discover power → bring Notion to work → enterprise buys boxes
  • AI unlocks the original dream: AI agents can now assemble Lego bricks into any custom software for any user — fulfilling Ivan's 2013 vision without requiring users to code
Ivan's hard-won lesson Hardcore Lego fans love bricks. Most people want the Lego box. Ivan stayed in brick-first mode too long. The strategic shift: keep building bricks, but sell boxes — and now, let AI assemble the bricks for everyone.
Playbook

Surviving the Lost Years & Staying Lean

How to stick with a hard idea

  • Reset freely: Notion scrapped its entire code base twice. Better abstractions compound faster than grinding on a bad foundation — you can catch up all the progress you lost, quickly
  • Beware false momentum: momentum will carry you in the wrong direction the same way it carries an LLM that can't back-track from a wrong token — chain-of-thought models are better at resetting; so should you
  • Two energy sources: building for business (score-card, competition) vs. building for value (what you want to exist). Both are real. The durable one is value — it kept Ivan going through four lost years
  • Change the scenery: Ivan and Simon laid off everyone, subleased the SF apartment and office, and coded 18 hrs/day in Japan. The physical reset unlocked the product reset
  • Daily personal reset: "I just go to sleep — next day I'm reset." High is never too high, low never too low. Equanimity is a founder super-power

Small bus, talent density

The small bus metaphor

A smaller bus turns corners faster, accelerates harder, and is easier to steer. You choose who sits next to you — that determines speed more than headcount. Notion tracks revenue-per-employee, not total headcount.

No salespeople until $10M+ ARR

Ivan, Simon, and Akshay could each design, code, market, and close deals. When founders cover multiple functions, the headcount stays low by default — and the internal communication overhead stays manageable.

Craft is the company philosophy

Conference rooms named after timeless tools — rice cookers, Lamy pens, original Macs. The goal: build software that lasts decades, not 18-month product cycles. "Craft = applying your values to your technical know-how to make clever trade-offs."

Tactics

Building Horizontal & the $10B Near-Death

  • Anchor to a billion-user wedge: Notes and docs have 1B+ daily users — that gave Notion its top-of-funnel. Calendar is next (another 1B+ category); email is in progress
  • Build to your values or face organ rejection: When Notion hard-coded "sprints" instead of composing them from Lego blocks, engineers, customers, and the code base all pushed back. Took 9–12 months to unwind
  • Don't go too late on infra: Notion ran on one Postgres instance until COVID. Usage exploded — weeks away from total outage. Sharding saved the company. "Don't do premature optimisation — but plan ahead a little"
  • AI rewards horizontal data: The more information lives in one place, the better AI can reason across it. Bundled tools + AI = compounding advantage over fragmented SaaS stacks
  • Steal from outside tech: Romance of Three Kingdoms, complex-systems biology, 1970s Engelbart papers — patterns from other domains surface trade-offs competitors miss entirely
The COVID doomsday clock One Postgres instance. Weeks of runway before total data loss. All engineers halted features, shipped sharding under pressure. The lesson: avoid premature optimisation — but don't let urgency become crisis.
Contrarian

Myths About Building Enduring Products

Build exactly what users ask for INSTEAD → Balance personal taste with market signal. Too much of yourself = research project; too much market = commodity. The sweet spot is authentic craft that also happens to be useful for others.
Product-market fit hits you like a thunderbolt INSTEAD → For Notion it was a gradual brightening — the PMF signal was VCs sending dog treats to a private office address. "Oh, good — people care now." No binary pop, no milestone celebration. Just a slow, steady ramp.
More engineers = faster product INSTEAD → Internal communication overhead grows super-linearly with headcount. A small, talent-dense bus outpaces a large, misaligned one. Notion was profitable and growing with fewer engineers than most competitors had in PM roles alone.
Horizontal platforms always lose to point solutions INSTEAD → The bundling/unbundling cycle is eternal — Romance of Three Kingdoms: "long united, must divide; long divided, must unite." We're at the tail end of SaaS fragmentation. AI rewards horizontal data unification. Notion is #2 in project management and #3 in CRM without intentionally building either.
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