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Reflections on a Movement:
Lean Startup at 12 Years

Eric Ries
Creator of Lean Startup · Founder, Long-Term Stock Exchange
OCT 29 2023
Core Concept

A Startup Is an Experiment

BUILDMVPMEASUREdataLEARNor pivot
"A startup is a human institution designed to create a new product under conditions of extreme uncertainty."
  • Every startup plan is a set of untested hypotheses
  • The goal is to learn what is true as fast as possible
  • Experimentation is not optional — it is the job
  • If you can't fail, you can't learn
Framework

MVP: Minimum Necessary to Test Your Riskiest Assumption

VISION LEAP OF FAITH ASSUMPTIONS MINIMUM MVP
  • Write your feature list — cut it in half, then cut it in half again
  • MVP ≠ cheap: sometimes the right MVP takes 10 years (LTSE took exactly that)
  • High quality, wrong value prop = nothing to be proud of
  • Users taught Eric what IMVU was for — not the team
90%
of v1 work thrown away after a pivot
100×
more work than necessary — most teams' natural instinct
The IMVU teleport story

Eric's team couldn't afford proper avatar walking animation. They made avatars "teleport" with a janky cut. They felt embarrassed. Customers called it "more advanced than The Sims." The constraint became the feature. They skipped inverse kinematics for years.

Eric's rule Try being uncomfortably small in what you build. Most people are off by one or two orders of magnitude. If you're not embarrassed, you waited too long.
Deep Dive

The Pivot and the Zombie Company

What a pivot actually is:

  • Change in strategy, not in vision — one foot anchored in what you've learned
  • Founders who say they never pivoted almost always did; the psychological defense kicks in
  • Building a startup is self-discovery: the vision is found, not decreed at day one
  • Slack started as a game. Segment stumbled onto analytics. Facebook nearly got abandoned by Zuck himself while it was already working
"If you're asking whether you should pivot, you probably already know the answer. When it's working, there's no time for naval-gazing."
The 6-week pivot protocol

Give yourself a fixed window. Have everyone say: "If I could start over, I'd be building…" Often the whole team secretly wants the same new thing and nobody was willing to go first.

The zombie company trap:

  • A startup failure is not even in the top 10 worst outcomes
  • Far worse: a company that won't die, that you hate but can't leave
  • Building something that becomes a maligned force in the world — and having to pretend you weren't involved — is the real tragedy
  • The founder mental health crisis is real, and the so-called "successes" are often the worst cases
The key question "If you could wave a magic wand and start a new company today, would it be this one?" If the answer is not yes — it's time to move.
LTSE: the failure that unlocked everything

Two years of work on a partnership agreement — hundreds of pages, millions spent — all thrown away when the SEC withdrew approval. It was the best thing that ever happened. It forced the pivot to what actually worked.

Tactics

Build a Company That Can Be Trusted

  • Ask your lawyer: "If Philip Morris offered $1 more per share, do I have a fiduciary duty to say yes?" Most standard articles of incorporation say yes — and that should horrify you
  • Structural options: Public Benefit Corp, foundation-controlled entity, board mission pledge, LTSPV financing instrument
  • Encode values in governance, not just culture docs — so the company keeps its promise even if you're replaced
  • It's always "too early" until it's too late: the four-day window never arrives
The Toyota lesson Long-term governance is a competitive advantage, not charity. Companies insulated from quarterly activist pressure compound faster. Amazon's customer centricity and long-term thinking are structural, not cultural.
Eric's governance test File quarterly report on time: 100% certain. Avoid complicity in harm to users: "probably." That gap is the governance problem.
Contrarian

Lean Startup Myths — Still Wrong After 12 Years

MVP means build something cheap and scrappy INSTEAD → MVP means the minimum needed to test your riskiest assumption. Sometimes that takes 10 years and $18M. "Minimum" is relative to the hypothesis, not the budget.
Lean Startup is opposed to bold vision INSTEAD → Lean is the method for testing whether your bold vision is actually true. Experimentation doesn't replace vision — it's how you find out if the vision is real.
Having your startup fail is the worst outcome INSTEAD → Failure isn't even top 10. A zombie company you hate but can't leave — or building something that becomes a maligned force in the world — is far, far worse.
Doing the right thing costs profit INSTEAD → Companies built around human flourishing crush their competitors on compounding returns. We've defined profit wrong. Truly additive value creation and extractive rent-seeking are not the same thing — we just account for them identically.
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GO DEEPER IN THE EPISODE
04:46 Eric’s recent activities and projects06:23 Eric’s start in advising and first-principles thinking10:56 Lessons from designing the Lean Startup process14:04 The current state of lean startup methodology22:33 Common misconceptions about the methodology24:28 Changes Eric would make in an updated version of Lean Startup27:52 An explanation of minimum viable product (MVP) and why Eric still stands by the process37:36 An example of “Less is more”41:24 More on MVPs and the importance of testing your hypotheses41:24 How LTSE had to pivot after a partnership fell apart48:37 Eric’s take on the concept of craft53:36 Why getting fired for standing by your conviction can be a career accelerator55:17 Tech’s mental health crisis56:28 Advice for founders stuck in a “zombie company”1:00:16 How continuous pivots shape a company’s vision, with a real-life story1:08:20 Challenges in assessing companies from an external perspective1:13:17 Practical advice for businesses considering a pivot1:18:42 The impact of artificial intelligence1:26:59 The current capabilities of ChatGPT and its potential use as an equalizer in the marketplace1:31:26 Eric’s current work with founders on human flourishing1:42:40 Advice for founders who want to build ethical companies1:49:37 Examples of first-principles thinking1:53:42 Why shareholder primacy theory is wrong1:55:19 The “spiritual holding company”1:58:12 Lightning round
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